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Project Confidence, Interior Selections and Build Lessons: Update with Jan and Landon

Building confidence in your own decisions is one of the most transformative things that can happen when you’re navigating a new home build project.

Join HOME Method members Jan and Landon as they share how calm, preparation and a step-by-step process have shaped their passive house, new build.

From interior selections to the lessons they’d give anyone just starting out, there’s helpful information for your project here.

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Hello! This is Episode 399, and in it, I’m continuing my conversation with HOME Method members Jan and Landon, who are building a new home and granny flat as a Passive House in Sydney’s north.

As a reminder: Jan and Landon are building on a site that has been in Landon’s family for over 70 years. 

Their new build project has been driven by clear goals around ageing in place, sustainability and lifestyle alignment, and they’ve worked collaboratively with their architect and builder throughout their project, involving their builder during pre-construction as well.

If you haven’t heard the updates of Jan and Landon’s project journey in our earlier episodes, I’d highly recommend checking them out. You can find them here:

This is Part 2 of the conversation you heard in Episode 398. In the last episode, we heard all about their construction progress, and how their builder’s prefab wall cassette system put the entire shell of their home up in just five days.

In this episode, we kick off the conversation with a reflection on something that’s been really striking to witness, and that’s the sense of calm and confidence Jan and Landon have brought to this project. I ask them directly how they’ve arrived at that place, and what’s helped them trust their own decisions, even when those around them expected them to feel anxious.

We talk about where they’re up to with their interior selections. This can be a stage that trips up a lot of homeowners, however Jan has taken a really thoughtful approach here, and it’s a wonderful example of knowing when to wait for more information before committing to a decision.

We also cover the delightful surprises that construction has brought, the beautiful relationships that have formed with their architect and builder along the way, and I ask Jan and Landon what they are most proud of, and the advice they’d give to anyone who is right at the beginning of their own project journey.

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Before we jump into my conversation with Jan and Landon, let me share some context about where we’re at in their story.

Jan and Landon joined HOME Method in January 2024. 

Their first podcast conversations in Episode 338 and 339 were recorded in September 2024, when their design was getting underway. 

We caught up again in July 2025 for Episodes 367 and 368, where we went deep into their design decisions, budget, and the collaboration with their team.

And this conversation (across this Episode and Part 1 in Episode 398) was recorded in March, 2026.

Some of the specific points I think will be super helpful for you in this episode include:

  • How Jan and Landon talk about the journey from early uncertainty to the genuine confidence they have now on site, and how following the process step by step, rather than racing to create certainty, was what made that shift possible.
  • Jan’s approach to interior selections, specifically, the decision to wait until the blue tarp comes off and she can see the actual light in the space before committing to colours. It’s a great example of knowing when patience is the right strategy, and how to work with your team to make this possible.
  • What I’ve observed has enabled them to create calm and success in their project, and not be panicky or anxious as many of their friends have expected them to be (and are surprised they’re not!)

Let’s hear from Jan and Landon now.

This is the transcript of my conversation with Jan and Landon as they reflect on building confidence, navigating interior selections, and the lessons from their passive house new build every homeowner needs to hear

Jan
How have you felt? I mean, the two of you are talking with such a level of peace and confidence about all of this.
I know, it’s very suspicious, isn’t it?

Amelia Lee
No, to me, it’s HOME Method, it’s this thing of watching the two of you, you’re just hitting your stride now, and all of that preparation and education that you’ve done, and the keeping of the book, and having your brief to refer back to, and pulling the right team together. and asking them all the questions that you need to, and creating this open communication. And I think what is really beautiful is you talk about trust as being really important part of this relationship. And I think, equally, your ability to trust your own decisions and not be second guessing yourself and be doubtful of the choices that you’re making, or  that things are going on around you that you’re not aware of.

Do you have an awareness of how this is occurring for you? You mentioned that friend saying that you should be more anxious. How have you felt through all of this, from your own ability to navigate this project?

Jan
Can I start? Do you mind? For me, at the beginning, I was very uncertain. And if anybody said, “Oh, that’s odd.” Or if there was even a hint of, “This is a really weird thing you’re doing.” I did have that feeling of, “Oh my goodness, what are we doing?” Or, “Is this the right thing?” But that fell away as we really got to know our builder and our architect more and more, and they listen to us, and we listen to them.

That fell away. Now, Landon’s brother and sister-in-law are architects, and they were watching us quite closely, I think, in a nice way. But I was worried that here we are building a house next door, and what if it’s no good? And we got our confidence with HOME Method. And I have to say, I haven’t written this anywhere, but I just remembered, after our house went up, and they came in, and they had a look, and they were so impressed. And I thought, ‘Yes, we’ve done the right thing for us.’ And they could see, and they said, “This is the most solid house we’ve ever seen.” So, the confidence came from the relationships, I think, and from HOME Method really, wasn’t it?

Image of Jan and Landon’s project

Landon
And I’m very happy with what we put down on the lines on the page. And I haven’t been tempted to try to change anything.

Jan
No, we haven’t changed anything.

Landon
I’m really happy. I mean, even when some things were just not quite exactly as I’ve imagined them, it’s okay, that’s not a problem. I think, from initially the brief and the design process, which was quite lengthy, we went through lots of different iterations of the design. And now, it’s just going to be put up, and then we’ll learn how to fit in with it. That’s good. That’s good. Been good.

Amelia Lee
Yeah, I’m full of such admiration for both of you, because I know that this was a big undertaking. And to me, I have loved seeing how you’ve really gone in boots and all and backed yourselves in terms of how you’ve upskilled for this, how you’ve then found the right team to work with, how you’ve then made some really amazing decisions in terms of things like choosing the prefab cassette methodology and sticking to it. I think what a lot of people do is they embrace those ideas as a good idea, but then they second guess themselves because they don’t have that confidence. They haven’t built that trust in themselves through their own preparation. And so, they get part way through, and then they think, ‘Oh no, I probably should do something more conventional.’ And they throw the baby out with the bath water and undo all of that good work. And so, I think, you’ve really followed the step-by-step process, and you’ve kept following the step-by-step process, and you’ve just executed so well. And so, it’s just been really, really great to see. And I remember those early conversations with you, Jan, and you’re saying friends are saying, “Do you really want to be doing that at this time of your life?

That’s right, you know how people have opinions with the best of intentions.

It’s all well-meaning, isn’t it?

Jan
They’re worried for us. And even yesterday, Landon had a phone call from somebody, and you thought that this fellow had this feeling that we should have been more anxious. It worries people, things maybe they’re going to fall apart, poor Jan and Landon, everything will fall apart. But the thing about Passive House construction is so much has to happen at the front of it that when by the time the house is constructed, the shell and so on, you really can’t do huge amounts of change. Or worry about, because you’ve just done all that work right at the beginning. So, it’s a different method of construction, that’s for sure.

Landon
Yeah, and Jan’s brother said the other day, “Have you gone back to your brief to see if he got everything that you were wanting?” And we haven’t done that process yet.

Jan
But we think we had.

And maybe it’s not quite how we envisaged it at the beginning, because we hadn’t even thought of Passive House. We just wanted a sustainable house. And so, we did make some compromises. You always make compromises and change when you’re building a house for cost reasons and things, yeah.

So, I think we will, that will be one of our very pleasant jobs to go back with our brief.

Amelia Lee
Oh, I’m excited to see, because generally, the feedback is that when you spend that time on that brief up front and get really intentional about that brief, it’s quite interesting to often then see how it follows you the whole way through the project, and that you end up creating something that’s fairly strongly in alignment with it. So now, another thing that we were chatting about the last time we caught up was the colour schemes, interior selections. So, how has that part of the project progressed for you, and what’s helped you in terms of committing to some of those decisions, in terms of those fixtures, finishes, colours, those kinds of things?

Landon
Have you got any idea how many whites there are?

Amelia Lee
This has been news to you, has it, Landon? You’re looking back to simpler times when you just have one to choose from.

Jan
White and cream. Well, I think we talked before in our last podcast about getting somebody to give us help and give us advice, and that’s happening in a couple of weeks. But because I want someone to come into the house once the roof is on and all that blue tarp is off, so that she can see the light and how the light works. Because that, to me, is really important. So, we’ve got a floor, we’ve got a timber floor chosen. We’ve got floor tiles for our bathrooms, but the rest is going to be done with her consultation and consideration of the light that comes into the house. And at the moment, it’s blue light. It’s a bit dark and blue. So, I don’t want to make a decision yet, and I’ve talked about this with the builder. So, that’s going to happen in the beginning of April sometime.

Amelia Lee
Awesome. And so, that includes choosing all of your kitchen cabinetry and bench tops and things like that as well?

Jan
Yeah.

Landon
We got a bench top.

Jan
Yes. Well, we’ve got a bench top that the architect was really keen on, and so was the builder. But when I spoke to, she’s a Dulux colour consultant and also an interior designer, and I said, “I don’t want to be locked into that if that’s the wrong colour for whatever we choose for the rest, to do with the light.” So, I can change that, but we do like it. So, that’s the thing that’s a little bit uncertain yet.

Amelia Lee
Yeah, I think if your bench top works with your flooring, if those two things marry together well. And were you thinking about taking that bench top through into the bathrooms as well? So, if it works, then, with your tiles, you’ll probably find that there’s enough flexibility in the colour palettes of joinery and wall colours and things like that to be able to work around it.

Image of Jan and Landon’s project

Jan
I’m hoping we can use it, but I did want to be careful about not locking ourselves into something that was going to be wrong for everything else.

Amelia Lee
Fantastic.

Jan
Yeah, that’s where we’re up to.

Amelia Lee
Yeah. Well, it sounds like you’ve landed and been able to do that with your team and your builder being willing to wait for some of those decisions until you’ve got a level of confidence about being able to see the light in the space, and getting a sense of that. Remember that that light could potentially change over the seasons as well. So, working with the interior designer, she’s going to have some awareness of that too, and hopefully be able to advise you on that. And it can be worthwhile putting together all of those finishes. I don’t know if you can grab a sample of the flooring from site, put it all on a board. And then, when you’ve got all the colours together, don’t just stand inside the house. Take it outside as well, because you’ll start to see the different light conditions on it. And the main thing can be, I find, with colours like whites and greens and neutrally beiges and that kind of stuff is depending on what pigment base they’re built off, if you’ve ever seen how paints get put together, and they’ll put a little bit of brown in or a little bit of red in or a little bit of green in to actually build a white. You can then see it throw that colour in different lights.

And so, if you take it and walk it around and see it in different lights, you can see a white or a green that might look surprisingly blue in some lights or surprisingly yellow in some lights. And you’ll just get a sense of how that whole palette’s working together. And I find that you can have quite different colours put together if they all have a similar base to them, if they all throw a similar colour in the way that they might appear, then they can work really harmoniously together. But you’ll get a better sense of that by putting them all just on a big bit of timber and walking around and having a gaze at them outside.

Jan
And interestingly, we have a neighbour who’s a photographer. She’s not long had a house completed, and she said when she was choosing her white or her neutrals for her house, she said, the light that comes in through all the trees, there is a greeny tinge. And she said, it turns a warm white, almost yellow. And so, that was really interesting to me. She has such a strong sense of colour.

Amelia Lee
Yes.

Jan
Anyway, we’ll see.

Amelia Lee
Yeah. And I mean, we all see colour differently as well. Like you’ll have had that experience where you’re standing beside somebody and saying that’s green, and somebody else saying that’s blue. And so, I think too, your personal perception of it becomes so critical. So, yeah, it’s going to be really exciting to see you pull that all together. Because I think once you do, there’s a level of… I’m trying to work out what the word is… But it’s like your level of ability to envisage what is coming will hit a new level for you. So, that will be really awesome to see. So, good stuff. Now, what surprised you most about the build phase compared to what you expected earlier on?

Landon
Well, at one stage,we lost our builders for a week or so because they went to another job, and that was very sad.

Amelia Lee
Anybody that does a volume build just looks at us as if to say, “Oh, get a grip.”

“We haven’t seen our builder for three months.”

Jan
Yeah, “You haven’t had them for a week and a half.” Yeah, we do get stupidly surprised by that thing. I think we were surprised about how enormous the house looked when it was being built. Really, it looked so big. And probably because we had the crane and we had things flying around in the air, but when they finished it, the surprising thing was how long and low it looked. I mean, it was magical, really. We had this huge house with this great gable point in the middle of it, and inside, we’ve got these soaring ceiling in part of the house. And then yesterday, friends were here, and they looked and they said, “This house looks so long and low, settles into the landscape. How does that happen?” So, that’s been a surprise.

We specifically wanted it to be, as much as possible, on one level, for accessibility. And we played with the spaces a bit by different ceiling heights, which I’m really pleased about, I think it would look terrific.

So, those things surprised us. We’ve had pleasant surprises really, I suppose.

Amelia Lee
Now, it sounds like it’s been unfolding in a way that gives you that delight and excitement each time you see something that you might have had a picture of in your head. And I think it’s really lovely. Does your architect come out and visit the site regularly?

Jan
We’re not paying her to manage the project now, but that was our agreement at the beginning. But she’s always at the end of the phone and if we want to, we can get her to come and check something. But on one of the days that the house was going up, this tells you about the relationships we formed. Sue, the architect, said, “Can I come down and see it going up?” We said, “Of course.” “Can I bring my husband?” “Yeah, bring him.” “And my son, who’s an adult. “Yes.” Dad wants to see it. We had a whole family having cups of tea and watching this.

Amelia Lee
It is better than television, isn’t it?

Jan
That’s funny.

Amelia Lee
I love that Jan, because that, to me, just speaks volumes about the kind of relationship that you’ve cultivated, and then also how much the team has taken on their own pride in this project and their own desire to see it come to fruition and see it play out. And, I can imagine, for the architect, hearing you be delighted and surprised by how these volumes are turning out, she’s probably walked around it inside her head a million times and can see it. And, I know from my experience of working on projects, there’s nothing better as an architect than walking in and seeing it look the same, if not better, than what you saw in your own head, and then to see the client who, you thought you’d explained it fully to them, and you thought that they really had their head wrapped around it, but at the end of the day, if it’s your first or second time doing this and reading a plan and looking at it, you can’t always get a grasp of it.

And seeing that surprise and delight on a client’s face walking into a space, and knowing that this is what you’re investing all your hopes and dreams and money in, and it’s going to be the place that you then enjoy and live and share with family and friends. And seeing that it’s really fulfilling you to see that come to fruition, that’s a really beautiful part of that client-architect relationship, and for the builder as well. So, I think it’s really awesome to see how that’s playing out, and I love that you’ve been willing to open your doors too, so that they can all be part of it.

Jan
We had another lovely experience with the builder, because he comes here for meetings, and we’re seeing him this afternoon. And they’re lovely business-like meetings, and we talk about what needs to be spoken about.

And we had to show him an older mirror that we want to be put into the walking wardrobe, but we also showed him a painting that we want. And it’s very big, it needs to be framed. And he became a different person. Suddenly, we discover our builder loves art. We saw a whole new side of him. That was really lovely, I think. So we had a discussion of art and galleries and exhibitions we’d seen.

Amelia Lee
That professional relationship becomes a really personal one, doesn’t it? So, how regularly are you meeting with your builder like that?

Jan
Now, at the moment, it’s every week or every second week. But because we’re here and he’s there, I mean, he pops in anyway, sometimes he’ll come over or he’ll text us and say, “Can I come and talk to you?” We had an interesting thing where one of the young builders, I don’t know what it’s like up where you are, but we’ve had lots of rain. It’s quite tropical at the moment in Sydney, so we’re getting heavy downpours. And young builders came and said that they’d seen a lot of ants, which was a bit of a surprise. And so, the main builder came over and said, “I think you need to work out what’s happening, and come and see it,” and so on. So, that was just a spontaneous thing. So, we can see him anytime really.

Amelia Lee
Yeah. Did you work out what was going on?

Jan
No, they disappeared.

Landon
I think they might have just followed the queen on the air.

Jan
Oh, yeah.

Amelia Lee
Yeah, just a weather thing.

Jan
And if they come again before the house is finally closed, we’ll have to get someone to come in if there’s a nest somewhere. That doesn’t seem to be. I think it was just…

Amelia Lee
Just a temporary thing, yeah. Now, I’m really curious, what are you most proud of in how you’ve approached this project? I’m sitting here in admiration of both of you. What are you feeling your own pride in how you’re navigating it?

Jan
I loved it. I absolutely loved and was proud of how we did our brief together. We did them separately, and then joined them. We did a lot of talking. That was fun, wasn’t it? That was a good thing, and we’ve worked together, I think, really well.

Landon
Yep. What am I proud of? I think just being satisfied after getting everything sorted in the beginning and letting it happen now.

Jan
Well, yeah, we talked about this last night, we’re proud of the fact that we haven’t got panicky. Or if we’ve had a mild moment of panic, the other one will say, “Just think about it. This is alright. Well, let’s just take the next step. We’ll make the phone call, or whatever it is that we have to do.” We’ve helped each other that way, haven’t we?

Landon
Oh, there’s one process that I thought was wrong, but as it turned out, they were doing it right.

Jan
You were wrong.

But they’re very patient in explaining, “No, no, this is what’s happening. Everything’s fine.” I think just taking it, not sweating the small stuff, unless it’s really important, and enjoying it. I’m proud of that.

Landon
Yeah, it’s like a process, we set it in train, and then sometimes in a process, you would step back and rest. But if you set something in train and there’s two or three people working on something, that will drag you along, too. So, I think that it’s been interesting that way.

Amelia Lee
Can I reflect back to you what I’m particularly chuffed at when I observe both of you and how you’ve navigated this project? For me, I have been so excited to see, we talk a lot inside Undercover Architect and HOME Method about how people would rather be unhappy than be uncertain. And it’s a really human need to try and seek certainty. And in navigating a custom build or renovation project, it is the thing that will get people unstuck the fastest, is because they’ll race to create certainty. When they don’t have sufficient information, they haven’t got the right people around them, they’re locking themselves into something that somebody else suggests for their house, so it ends up becoming designed by a committee, or materials and selections are a hodgepodge of what other people think is a great idea. And instead, what I’ve seen from both of you is you’ve been willing to sit with some level of uncertainty as you navigate the project very methodically and follow the process step-by-step.

And what that’s done is you’ve gone through the motions. You’ve used the tools. I’ve watched you use the brief builder, the Choose your Builder checklist, the questions to ask, the questions of your designer, all of those kinds of things. And you’ve really leaned into, let’s just execute this the way that the preparation and education shows that we should. Let’s park the fact that we might feel uncertain about certain things, and keep embracing the process. And in that, you’ve then pulled together the most incredible team who’ve helped you feel supported, and you’ve had agency in that team. You’ve been able to work collaboratively with them. You’ve known where to speak up. You’ve known where to really, not insist on things, but make sure that you’re being heard and that your needs are being met in terms of what you’re seeking, and then where to lean into what your team is suggesting as the thing to to embrace, or based on their advice and expertise.

And, I think, through that process, you’ve brought forward so much of your decision-making. And you said, “Oh, Passive House requires you to.” I mean, any project that you execute well is done better when you bring forward that decision-making. So, you’ve done that. And so then, what you’re now experiencing is where most people, because they’ve not wanted to be uncertain, because they’ve not followed a process, because they’ve barreled into construction having not brought forth their decision-making, then construction is an anxiety-ridden, stressful project process where you’re just watching things unfold on-site and trying to keep up. Instead, you’re watching all of your preparation, collaboration and methodical approach unfold during construction, and you’ve got this team who you’re seeing is operating professionally.

You’re able to trust that you made the right decisions three months ago, six months ago, so you’re not second-guessing yourself when you walk on-site. And then you’re also willing to acknowledge, like you said Jan, I’m not willing to make commitments to colour decisions until I can see the proper light in here. And so, you’re working with your team to factor that in. And so, you’re recognising where your uncertainty needs to actually have a little bit of space and given a bit more scope to do something a little bit, and you’re working with your team on that. And I think it’s so impressive for the both of you to be navigating it, because like we spoke about right at the beginning, I think of anyone in their project, but particularly somebody who is doing what is going to be their last home.

A lot of people will say to me, “Oh, but yeah, you’ve built up a level of financial stability by that time”, and that kind of stuff, but it’s not like you two can just go out and turn around and start making a whole heap of cash to try and pay for any overruns or anything like that that you might be able to earlier in your life. And so, it’s this thing of making really great decisions, and how you’ve been able to navigate that. And yeah, it’s been such a joy to watch both of you be able to do this. Because, yeah, I get so excited thinking about how this house is then going to really support and love you back in how it’s going to be to live in long-term for you.

Jan
Thank you. I mean, the HOME Method really, truly, that early stuff was so powerfully important. Just knowing how to write a brief and having permission to just talk about feelings and how you want to live, all of that was exciting, but was knowing how to choose an architect and how to choose a builder. And I was a bit unnerved by the fact that the first architect and the first builder was who we went with. But the fact that we had all those questions, the fact that we could do that research, do our due diligence about the builder’s licensing and everything, and the registration of the architect, all those things help build confidence, I think. You’re not just flapping around in the air trying to find a good builder or a good architect. It was a process, and I found that really reassuring. Very reassuring.

Amelia Lee
That’s awesome. Yeah, my last question was going to be, if you had any advice for anybody listening who’s at the very beginning of their project and they’re feeling overwhelmed, what you’d most like them to know? And the role that HOME Method has played in that. We hear a lot about how helpful that brief is and about how helpful those question checklists are. Is there anything else that you see has helped you navigate the project and get to this place where you are feeling thrilled seeing it happen on site on a regular basis?

Landon
I think that advice about having a dedicated email for the project is great.

Jan
Keeping records.

Landon
Keeping records is important. But the big book…

Jan
I think that thing about involving a solicitor to look at your contract, and ours was very good, and she said, “Oh, this is slightly unconventional, but it’s got everything it needs.” That’s reassuring. So, what HOME Method did for me, and probably Landon, I won’t speak for him, but for me, it gave me some steps. Because building a house is so huge, it’s just an enormous project to undertake. But you can just do one bit and then another bit, and then another bit, and as you do each little bit, your confidence can become a bit stronger. So, I don’t want anybody listening to think that we just went in this totally confident from the beginning, because we didn’t. And now we can look back and think all of that was that groundwork that was so important for us.

Amelia Lee
I’m looking forward to that book all being wrapped up and closed up and put on the shelf in your brand new home.

Landon
Like the school kids do.

Amelia Lee
I know, my eldest just finished school, and he was just turfing all of his notebooks.

Jan
We do have an enormous amount of paperwork and drawings, and there will be a little bit of pleasure in just nipping it.

Amelia Lee
Yes. And I remember back too, I’ve previously asked the question from people of what are you most looking forward to when the project is finished, and somebody said to me, “Never having to talk about the project again.” I think about my son finishing school, and he’s doing a Bachelor of Music, and he’s very excited. He doesn’t have to do maths anymore.

Jan
Yes. What do we look forward to? Just being in the house. And I’m so obsessed with light, I’m just looking forward to being in the house and seeing how all the light plays out across a year, and getting the garden, seeing the garden.

Landon
It’s going to be a lot of work in the garden, I think. But anyway.

Amelia Lee
You up for it, Landon?

Jan
He’s up for it.

Amelia Lee
Well, I can’t thank you enough for coming on to share your latest update and to give these insights that I know will be incredibly helpful to those listening and watching the episode. So, thank you so much. And I look forward to getting you back when it’s finished, and we can talk about what it’s been like for you to wrap up those last decisions. And yeah, I’m really excited, Jan and Landon, for that tarp to go off, and for you to see the light, because I think that’s going to be really magical in terms of really bringing home that experience of what you’re going to have day-to-day. So, do you know when the project is expected to be finished?

Jan
Yeah, July, I think. The granny flat will go longer, but I think by the end of July, we might be able to move in. Mind you, I think there’s probably a bit of wriggle room there, and maybe it’ll be a little bit later.

Landon
By Christmas.

Jan
The fact that we’re next door just makes it feel like we’re almost there anyway. It’s so familiar to us now. It’s not like we’ve got to travel and see it once every now and then.

Amelia Lee
Yeah.

Jan
Thank you very much anyway, for all those kind words.

Amelia Lee
That’s my pleasure. Thank you so much for being here. It’s been so great to chat, and I’ll speak to you soon.

Jan
Thank you.

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